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Kenpom preseason ratings have George Mason going 19-8 (13-5 CAA)

George Mason Basketball: Kenpom preseason ratings have George Mason going 19-8 (13-5 CAA)

Thursday, November 03, 2011

Kenpom preseason ratings have George Mason going 19-8 (13-5 CAA)

Anyone who is a college basketball enthusiasts follows the unbelievable stats and information supplies each year. The site has just released their preseason ratings which projects wins/losses throughout the season. It updates after every game and is usually pretty darn accurate. Currently they have Mason going 19-8 overall and 13-5 in the CAA. Keep in mind though that they only have the NIT Tip-off first round game against FIU on the schedule and not the potential next game against either Virginia Tech or Monmouth. You can also notice that they have the Patriots ranked #56 overall on their preseason Pomeroy ratings, similar to the popular RPI system.  

Overall I think the projections are a fair estimate for this team. They might lose an early game on the schedule to someone they shouldn't, such as Bucknell, Manhattan, or Charleston as the group finds their identity.  I agree with the splitting of the ODU and VCU series and a close loss to Drexel. Their projections have Mason, ODU, and Drexel finishing 13-5 in the conference, wouldn't that be interesting? However, I do not know if Mason could end up being tied for 1st after splitting series with ODU and VCU and losing their only game to Drexel. They'd have to do more in the conference schedule in my opinion but overall I think these projections are a fair assessment.


Anonymous Mason Guy said...

Ok that's fair, I'll bump it one and predict 20 wins.  If the point position gels this team still has a nucleus of NCAAT experienced guys.  Its going to be fun to watch, but I agree, fans need to be patient.  Thanks for the info and work, loved the HC interview on GMU radio.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Christopher Hirsch said...

The Chris Hirsch rankings, which take into account our game againts Virginia Tech have us going 22-6, with a 15-3 conference record.

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Guest said...

Think that might be a little too lofty of expectations for this team...I like the 18-19 games won prediction, I think this will be a good team this year, but there will be some growing pains as the team recovers from losing long, hancock, and Tate with a new head coach and system.  Everyone in the conference looks beatable this year, with ODU barely winning their exhibition and Bazemore coming back from injury, VCU losing its top players, and Drexel is unproven.  Should make for a very interesting conference tournament and drama when thinking of NCAA at the end of the year.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous IWantFootball said...

Football incorporates fans way better then basketball. More the reason to bring football to mason. Dont tell me we will loose money. I dont buy that. It is way to hard to count the revenue a football team brings in. You cant only count ticket sales. You have to count merchendise sold in the bookstore. Hotel revenue. Food purchased not only at the stadium but the whole campus. Kids apply to schools that provide exciting things to do. So more students would be applying. An Application was 50$ when I applied. So dont tell me we will loose money. Yes we will prob loose money if you are only looking at ticket sales. We could also rent out the stadium for concerts just like we do with the patriot center. LETS GO PATRIOTS AND GET A FOOTBALL TEAM!!!!

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Eric Mills said...

Mason may not "loose" money with football, but they would "lose" money with football. ;)

Football is a lot of fun to watch, but only the big bowl-bound teams make any money with football. The alumni love it and a lot of buzz can be generated, but it can kill the rest of the athletic program of a school like Mason.

As an alumnus of Mason, I am adamantly opposed to adding a Div 1 football team. I would rather see Mason keep its other teams like soccer, wrestling, etc.

3:35 PM  
Anonymous Christopher Hirsch said...

The fact the conference is down has me confident Mason can win all their home conference games, and lose road ones to Drexel, ODU, VCU.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Christopher Hirsch said...

Mason wouldn't be Division 1 or FBS as it is known now which is exactly why I don't care that we don't have a football team.

4:04 PM  
Anonymous IWantFootball said...

Mason would be D1 AA similarly to James Madison, ODU, and Villinova. All of which have good basketball programs still. ODU was able to make the NCAA last year with a buzzer beater lose to butler who made the FINAL 4. Villinova a BIG East basketball program. and James Madison is going to be a good program.

sorry to say but mason lacks in school spirt. Not saying there is non, but football creates school spirt and being such a fan of our school it be awesome to see our school suceed in all areas.

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Alan said...

It doesn't include the 2 games we are guaranteed for the second week of the PNIT, either. Or the BracketBuster game in February. Mason will play 31 regular season games this season. KenPom only includes games once the opponent is known (because otherwise there is nothing to project).

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Student said...

Fuck football! Mason football would be retarded.

5:46 PM  
Anonymous BoredInClass said...

First of all, only about 10 Division Football Programs in the Nation make money. That being said, I am 100% behind having a football program. It does create school spirit, which Mason does lack. Their are times when being a student here sucks. You go visit other schools and their is an actual campus culture to it. NOVA is the 2nd best high school football area in the state behind the 757. We would be able to get the 2nd level recruits from schools like Stone Bridge, Oakton, and Lake Braddock to name a few. Financial support would be given by the Washington Redskins if they were allowed to move training camp to Mason, something they have been trying to do for years but have been blocked because of the administrations overwhelmingly stupid thought that it would somehow hurt the school. One of my sport management professors told me directly that the Redskins offered to build us a stadium a few years ago and the administration turned it down. I personally can not wait to come back in 10 years and see what Mason is like without Merten and O'Conner running it, i may enroll and go after a 2nd degree.

6:37 PM  
Anonymous BoredInClass said...

Division 1 Football Programs***

6:38 PM  
Anonymous IwantFOotball said...

 I dont think mason would lose money on a football program. WE would have support from the redskins. And you have to take in consideration more then just ticket sales. Such as merchandise sold at the book store and near by stores. The hotel would accompany many more people. More people will be eating on Saturdays. More students would apply to the school. Applications are 50 bucks at least. I hate when people say we will lose money n. 

12:15 AM  
Anonymous Dave said...

I think everyone is underestimating how well the northern Virginia community would support football.
As an alumni whose favorite sport is college basketball I believe that Mason football would solidify Mason's position in the community.  I don't think it matters at this point what level it plays at or whether it makes money.  A program will matter if the people in the area says it matters.  This community has said Mason basketball matters and in this area football is their favorite sport.  I am confident the northern Virginia area will think that Mason football matters.
I am also confident that there are many like me in this area that would do what they could for a university football team.  What matters is how as alumni, community leaders and students can we make this happen?  Are we going to sit around and keep complaining?  Are we going to sit around and watch another president get hired that won't support football?  Didn't the administration learn how a successful athletic program can enhance the academic portion of the university?
I am mad as hell.  I want football at Mason.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous NOFOOTBALL said...

Why don't we look at the facts here...

As someone posted above, only about 10 schools in the entire nation make money off of football, all 10 of those programs are FBS.  Two years ago, several A-10 schools dropped their football program, why do you think that is?  Our athletics budget is $14.6 million TOTAL.  That includes all varsity sports, men's and women's.  Where is the money for the program, not to mention the increased dollars that must go into women's sports from Title IX due to the new spending in men's athletics?  Cuts to other teams?  That likely won't be received well by the people already signing large checks for the school.  New money?  Great, who is giving it?  You are talking a couple million minimum, and you will need a 5-10 year commitment for that to be annual.  Yeah, that will be an easy endowment to land...

As to this massive college football market in Northern Virginia, I'm not sure I believe that either.  I mean, yes you do see tons of people at various bars watching college football; well watching the school they went to.  DMV is a transient area, meaning that most of the people here, are not from here.  Do you really believe they are going to go watch a CAA football game in person over sitting at home and watching their alma-mater play against a team like LSU.  Please...

Student support?  No offense, but the student support for athletics at Mason has always been weak; outside of a few hundred students attending basketball games; the only people who support other teams are other athletes.  Ask anyone who has put on a uniform at Mason, they will back that statement.  So we can hardly turn out a few hundred students to basketball games,  but we will have massive support for football?  Come on man!

If you are an alumni and you want a football program so bad, pony up $2 to 3 million a year for the next ten years.  If you are a student, which my bet is the accurate guess; transfer to a football school, or stay at Mason and support the teams which currently exist. 

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Iwantfootball said...

there obviously is a reason schools have football even if they are losing money. there is no way all those schools would continue to have a program that just wastes money. There are numerious reasons. As you said student involment is weak. But this would help. People dont tailgate for soccer at any school not just mason. But they would for football. Admission standards would sky rocket. ODU's already has. JMU is expanding on their current stadium becasue so many people attend the games. Other schools would not have the support from an NFL team. MASON has been offered financial suport from the red skins.

and for going to a different school thats stupid. I love mason. there is so many great things about it. I can voice my opinion in hopes that one day masson will have football and our school will be a million times better.

2:19 PM  
Anonymous BatMason said...

Realistically, we wont see a D1 caliber football program for another decade or so, because, we don't have a large enough freshman residency to support it. Please do not forget that GMU is not nearly as old as other schools referenced here, and is not yet established a destination for many students to live on campus, but their is light at the end of the tunnel, just look at all the new dorms being built. We need at least about 10,000 on campus freshman students to fill up the stadium (and to fill up the school's coffers).

As for the Admin turning down the Redskins...Mason's never been bashful about marketing its facilities with the circus, Sesame Street on Ice and lil bow-wow concerts... but we turn down the Redskins? Major sports FAIL! That move would bring even more publicity to the school, and look what's happened to the school's growth since the F4. Not to mention they offered to pay for our stadium? Mason probably would have just used the donation to build something else anyway, i.e. the 1mil that was donated to build Coach L's practice facility that never broke ground. Ughhh... don't get me started. Let's keep this about BBALL and keep it POSITIVE to start off the season gang.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous gmuhoops said...

 JMU and ODU have 10000 freshman on campus? I don't believe that.

Mason is a residential school now officially and that is not the issue keeping football 

3:08 PM  
Anonymous BatMason said...

then what is

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Mooky_l3d said...

GMU Hoops right?

12:15 AM  
Anonymous YallRstoopid said...

Nearly all colleges have football. There is a reason for it. It makes your school better. America loves football.

 GMU has a higher employment rate then JMU, Higher median salary after graduation. GMU as a better vollyball, basketball, wrestling, and track tream then JMU. But JMU has more applicants then GMU. Why do you think that is.

THEY HAVE FOOTBALL!! If we want the smartest and brightest students we need football.

Alumni donate money to football programs, they don't donate to soccer I am sorry they just don't . 

10:47 AM  
Anonymous YallRstoopid said...

I really like the way you worded this. I don't know the exact reason but Football creates TRADITION and a SENSE OF COMMUNITY. There is many different aspects to the game of football people can relate too. such as;

all these things put together make for a great game and brings people out of their homes. Mason strives in a lot of aspects but student involvment is weak and football will greatly help improve this.

Dont say only 10 D1 schools make money.
We would be D1 AA so it would be like comparing apples and oranges.

lets get football!!!

11:09 PM  
Anonymous rosswill said...

I believe that O'Connor has said that GMU will never have football under his watch. He says it drains money from the budget in most cases.

11:11 AM  

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